Macros for combat?

Hello, I started to play pvp for the 1st time with my lvl 43 rogue, .....and i get owned every time 1v1 =)

Can i click on somthing to keep following my target? i can never seem to keep up and attack at the same time!



. im faffing trying to find the attacks i want and panacking like a nub. How the hell do people do it?!?

I see macros for words, but i cant drag the attack into it. Can u set macros for combat situation?

im more a liability to my team mates, than a help =(

thanks ;p



Rogue seems to be a tough type to master, can never heal myself and im getting through a **** load of expensive heal pots.|||It takes a lot of practice to do pvp with a rogue. I don't think your answer lies in macros, more in learning to move with your mouse and using your keyboard for abilities.

I'll try to explain (though I'm no expert), but best would be to find another rogue in the game and have him show you, or to find a few players who are willing to duel you a few times in a row so you can get used to the movement. It would have helped if you'd have started practicing earlier (around lvl 15, in Warsong Gulch), but lv43 isn't too bad.

Move with the mouse

You move and turn with your mouse. This means you press both buttons so you start moving forward, and then you move your mouse to turn. It takes some effort to get used to, but you need to learn this for (any melee) pvp. You also might want to buy a gaming mouse if you don't have one. My experience is that the bigger the mouse, the better; but that may be different for others.

Also learn to move by pressing W, and then turning with the mouse to either turn (hold right button) or move the camera (hold left button). This allows you to for example turn the camera while you're running e.g. to see if someone is chasing you (press W, hold left mouse button and move mouse), or to make quick (about-)turns (press W, hold left mouse button, move mouse to turn camera so you're looking behind you, then click on the right mouse button once while still holding the left).

Another important thing to learn: Move through your opponent, make a 180-degree turn and attack. You do this by (1) stand in front of your opponent, (2) hold both mouse buttons to move a small distance until you're through him, and (3) let go of the left button (but hold the right), and move the mouse to turn 180-degrees.

Some exercises:

- Hold both mouse buttons (so you're moving) and run around SW or Org, use the space bar (as normal) to jump on and off objects.

- Find a player or obstacle and run in circles around him, holding both buttons. When you have moved the mouse as far as you can, turn around in place (i.e. let go of the left button), and start turning the other way around.

- Practice the move-through and stab in back move as described above.

Use abilities with keybinds

All abilities you may need in combat must be keybound. If you need to move your mouse to click a button that means you cannot move freely at the same time. To bind keys I use the add-on Bartender, but you don't need to do that.

Some skills you want to bind: sap, gouge, attack openers (ambush, cheap shot, etc), sinister strike, finishers (eviscerate, rupture, etc.), vanish, blind, kick, evasion, sprint, racial skill (e.g. escape artist).

Personally I also use the keys Q-W-E and A-S-D for movement, so I don't bind skills on those. But all keybinds that I use often are close to these keys.

Here's roughly how I have it set up:

key skill

(all damage/attack skills are on the top row of my keyboard)

1 - sap (in stealth), gouge (out of stealth)

2 - ambush (in stealth), backstab (out of stealth)

3 - Cheap shot (in stealth), Slice&Dice (out of stealth)

4 - Sinister Strike / Mutilate / Hemorrhage (depends on spec)

5 - Eviscerate

6 - Kidney Shot

(I don't use other openers and finishers)

R - kick

T - blind

F - vanish

G - bomb (engineering)

X - evasion

C - escape artist

V - sprint

B - Distract

To learn how to use your keys it's probably easiest to start with the most common abilities, i.e. the attack skills. Ideally you gradually expand from there, as you would do during leveling. I guess you just have to start the hard way.

Exercises:

- Use one of the following ways to kill:

A. Throw a knife, let mob approach. When he's close gouge him. Now move through him and turn around (as described above). Let the energy come up a bit (just before Gouge cooldown is finished), the use backstab. Finish off with SS and eviscerate.

B. Sneak up behind mob and open with backstab or ambush. Let energy return to ~100, then use gouge. Move through the mob, turn and use backstab again. Finish with SS and Eviscerate.

- Start doing the same with players. Look around for other players who want to learn to do pvp and explain what you want to try.

- Start entering battlegrounds and engage as many players as you can. If you die, just try again.

Other things you should know

Poisons: For PvP the most useful is Crippling Poison. As far as I know all PvPers have this on their main hand, some even on both weapons. The other useful poison is Instant Poison. The advantage of this one is that it has no damage-over-time, so your stuns will not become uneffective. Other poisons are situational; you can change poisons in stealth during fights if you wish.

Stunlocking: At some point you need to learn how to stunlock (I haven't completely mastered it yet). The only way to beat higher-level characters with healing is to keep them locked, using cheap shot, kidney shot, gouge and kick.

Sapping: great fun, and an essential part of pvp.

Distract: works in pvp, to turn your opponent around and disorient him for a moment. Can be done from stealth.

Macros: You don't really need macros. The only ones I use are for my interrupt abilities (blind, kick), and this macro is simply meant to stop anything I'm casting at the moment and cast my interrupt immediately.

I hope this helps, feel free to ask further questions.

EDIT: Wow, that turned out long.|||Well, pretty much what Amsterdam said but... At pre-60 you aren't going to see much use to use Macro's in the first place. Rogues honestly TRUELY don't start to be Rogues until at least level 60... IMO Rogues are one of the more "end-game is their true use" classes.

Regular WoW: They were pretty much always good, PvP, PvE, low levels, high levels, all around awesome. They got nerfed. Hard.

Burning Crusade: When you were leveling, you were decent DPS, but you couldn't compete with AoE pulls. Did better and better the further into end-game you got.

Wrath of the Lich King: Same exact thing, no AoE (until 80) except DPS seemed to be nerfed even further because you're in AoE farmed instances moreso than ever. Again, end-game, do very well.|||Quote:








Well, pretty much what Amsterdam said but... At pre-60 you aren't going to see much use to use Macro's in the first place. Rogues honestly TRUELY don't start to be Rogues until at least level 60...




You're focuing on PvE, but the OP asked about PvP.

My experience is that in PvP rogues start out VERY strong. In lv10-19 Warsong Gulch the Rogue is one of the dominant classes (along with druids and hunters), able to decide a match by themselves (by running flags back to base or by killing the enemy flag carrier).

Around lv30 rogues lose some of their edge as other classes start to gain strength. Suddenly you can no longer two-shot kill clothies (with a well-timed kick to stop a polymorph/fear/heal). This is when you need learn to stunlock to beat enemies, and even then a mail/plate wearer will be a challenge.

You're probably right that at 60 you regain some of your strength. Assa rogues get mutilate for a big damage increase, subtlety rogues get shadowstep to close distances effectively (I don't play combat). But you still have a hard time against good PvPers, no matter which class. By this time you need to have mastered stunlocking to do well.|||I'm going to have to agree with Amsterdam here, macros are not your answer. You've been playing a very, very short time, and you're still learning. Effective pvp is very difficult, and you're playing against people who have been doing this for years, literally. You're also playing against toons who undoubtedly have the full support of their player's multiple level 80's and guild. It's a learning process, and one you've just started on. Take the time to read and absorb what information is there. A lot of it is simply experience...such as... I read the following phrase "43 rogue" and cringe. You're in battlegrounds at a huge disadvantage at that level. You're outleveled, outgunned, and with your experience, outplayed.

My advice? It might be a little (lot) painful to accept but here goes:

If you want to pvp at the lower end of the bg spectrum as you are, you are going to die. It's a given. So here's a little change of view from someone who also decided to pvp at a great disadvantage.... so you die. So what? Is it really such a big deal? As long as you're learning, getting better, getting xp, and grasping your class....dying is no sin, as long as you're enjoying the journey, and you're learning how to play.

Also you might want to find a pvp buddy... someone to queue with you and hopefully pvp with you. The famous lone, lost healer away from the group... (With a stealthed friend rogue breathing down the back of their neck!) is a great twosome. They heal you, you keep them safe. My favorite pvp grouping was a rogue, retadin and my resto shaman. We mopped floors.|||Even in PvP Macro's aren't going to be of much use to a level 43 Rogue, honestly. They just won't. What are you possibly going to do? Press this button, it makes you go into stealth AND put Cold Blooded up, if it's available? Lol, it's just not going to do much until at least 60.

If I were to suggest anything, I would suggest you do a few dungeons until you hit at LEAST 47. Get a few pieces of gear to make yourself stronger. Once you reach 47, you should have some Mara stuff, Zul'Farrak stuff, maybe a couple Uldaman drops.

That will significantly increase your DPS, health, and general lifespan.|||Quote:








Even in PvP Macro's aren't going to be of much use to a level 43 Rogue, honestly. They just won't. What are you possibly going to do? Press this button, it makes you go into stealth AND put Cold Blooded up, if it's available? Lol, it's just not going to do much until at least 60




I didn't think anyone used macros much anymore, in any capacity for combat. There was a time when you would have an entire rotation on a single button, but Blizzard saw this and changed the macro mechanics making this impossible. If the OP is looking for a way to spam 1 button and own everything in sight, think again.

The 40s is a terrible level range to learn to PvP imo. By this time, most classes have the majority of their abilities, as well as a long line of talents to buff themselves with. In the 10-19 range (or even the 20-29s), Rogues have the edge on a lot of classes (something that will change in cataclysm thanks to the new talent system) and that makes learning to PvP loads easier.

If I were you, I would roll a new rogue, get him to level 17 and then hit the battlegrounds. This will give you 3 levels to learn the basics and get to know your class a bit better. Then you can go back to your other Rogue with more confidence and skill. One word of warning: If you see a level 40+ warrior with a 1-hander and a shield, stay away! Before I left, I did quite a lot of PvP at level 39. I had all the best gear from quests and instances but no enchants. Any rogue that came up against me died, usually because they spent so long trying to kill me that other people came along to kill them.

Never let it be said that protections warriors can't do PvP|||Quote:








If I were you, I would roll a new rogue, get him to level 17 and then hit the battlegrounds.




I agree, though I think lv14-15 will be fine to start. Spend all your time in Warsong Gulch until you're 20. That's about 50 matches so it will take a while, but it's worth it. Then you may want to level to about 25 and play WSG again until 30. By that time you can probably switch back to your lv43 Rogue

There are 3 ways to play Warsong Gulch with a Rogue

1) Offensive

Sneak into the flag base and grab flags. If a teammate gets the flag you stay in the enemy base to grab another if necessary. Depending on the situation (EFC strength and help) you decide whether to try and kill EFC, or to stay at the enemy flag base for safety.

2) Defensive

Defend your flag, and if it's taken go out to kill EFC.

3) Selfish

Ignore flags, just kill as many enemies as you can. Your team may hate you for it but it's good pvp practice.



Let me just add this: Rogue Macros at Wowwiki|||I doubt the op really wants to reroll another rogue. And yes, while the 40's a fairly wretched time to learn pvp, followed hand in hand by the 50's (which is when I erroneously decided I really wanted a certain black war mount on my shadow priest....) Any time will teach.

Necha-remember at the lower level numbers, like 43, a large number of the players in your bgs are going to be flat out immune or very highly resistant to your attacks. (Think of them as mobs 5+ levels higher than you are.) The 49's you're running across won't be affected by your attacks until you're about 47, and really won't be affected until you are also 49.|||As a Rogue, it also comes down to knowing what do do against what class...IMO, this is way more important than any macro.

Unless you can one shot someone you should never try to go toe to toe with anyone, you should however wait for the opportune moment to present itself. Know your poisons and your openers.

Crippling slows people down.

Mindnumbing slow cast time, you should always have this on versus casters (Priest, Mage, Warlock, and Druids to some extent)

Deadly Poison - damage tick over time. Useful in almost any situation and even better against another Rogue. A Rogue taking damage ticks cannot restealth. Combine with Crippling vs. a Rogue.

Those are the top three use poisons, before you decide to attack one on one, decide on what poison is a better use for whatever class you are going to go up against.

It's also a better idea to wait for the right moment than to just go in and attack. Ideally you want to wait (in one on one) till your opponent is busy fighting and will have a hard time dealing with you. A Mage eating is an easy kill solo (ambush with crippling + Mind Numbing hen wail away) unless it's in a BG - he might have a Rogue waiting with him and it's a trap).

Remember to kick and interrupt a casters cast... you don't want to get nuked by a Mage's Frost Bolt or something right before you kill him. Vanish out of a Frost Nova, etc.

Against a Warrior be careful using evasion, this allows them to overpower you...Evasion is best used in the start of the fight if at all, this way you can deal with taking damage. Also disarm them.

In BG's wait till the fighting has started and a bit of confusion has set in then go for (in the following priority if you can:

Priest or healer - No healer no help for the other side.

Casters - mage/Lock/Dr00d

Sap also helps and can be unexpected by the other side.

It can also help to sap an opposing faction Rogue just to take him/her out of the equation for a bit.

Screw the heal pots in BG's...you're going to die more often than not. If anything use WSG heal pots. you can buy these for Honor at the WSG vendor (Mor'shan Rampart), same for WSG bandages.

Another point...how well you do has alot to do with your gear and talents at that point, not to mention at level 43 you are still at the low end of the 40-49 bracket and are going to get stomped by whoever is 48-49 there.